r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jan 25 '17
Discussion | eSports FlipSid3 Tactics vs OpTic Gaming / ELEAGUE Major 2017 - Round 3 / Post-Match Discussion
FlipSid3 Tactics 0-1 OpTic Gaming
Train: 13-16
FlipSid3 Tactics have been eliminated.
Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Train
| Team | T | CT | Total |
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| F3 | 10 | 3 | 13 |
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| OG | 5 | 11 | 16 |
| F3 | K | A | D |
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| wayLander | 24 | 6 | 23 |
| electronic | 21 | 9 | 23 |
| B1ad3 | 18 | 4 | 20 |
| WorldEdit | 18 | 3 | 20 |
| markeloff | 15 | 6 | 17 |
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| tarik | 24 | 9 | 18 |
| stanislaw | 23 | 2 | 20 |
| RUSH | 22 | 6 | 21 |
| mixwell | 20 | 3 | 17 |
| NAF | 14 | 8 | 20 |
Map Detailed Stats
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u/netherportal02 FaZe Jan 25 '17
Optic that was disgusting play. But my 0-3 pickem worked
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
Played great vs the arguable Top 2 teams & played shit against the worst team
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u/ILikeThisNameMore Jan 25 '17
Same and I would've been tilted to nonexistence if Optic lost to Flipsid3.
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u/thelarsi de_ancient Jan 25 '17
Waylander showing emotion, obviously can't be finnish
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Jan 25 '17
He's lived in Russia basically all his life anyways, he has double citizenship... Just did his conscription in Finland probably because it would have been longer in Russia.
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u/teef0ur clutch Jan 25 '17
Is it just me or does Waylander look like perhaps the most misersable person on the entire planet? I mean that guy just doesn't look like he enjoys life...
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Jan 25 '17
picking your poor side to trigger maximum tilt == mindgames
thank mr stanislaw
also godTUROK for guest performance and RUSH for nutty entries
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u/Blyadhole Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17
Same with Mixwell.
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u/Neezon 5 years coin Jan 25 '17
I mean, they did go from versing VP and Astralis to Flipside
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u/DogeFancy cs_militia Jan 25 '17
How did OpTic win that? Their CT side has been abysmal on train this LAN.
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 25 '17
Cause Stan has played it horribly imo.
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u/DogeFancy cs_militia Jan 25 '17
that 1v2 from markeloff should never happen below masterguardian.
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
Also the one round flipside lost after we got going. Like seriously NAF pushes pop dog like an idiot, dies, then the guy in pop dog kills 2 people who weren't looking at them.
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17
And the time (player?) gets the 1 kill in drop & 2 kills outside because (Tarik?) decides not to check drop properly, should have never happened in a 5v3 with 50 secs left.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 25 '17
That 1v2 I think naf called ivy and rush just assumed he wasn't here yet or wrapped the other side. They were probably also just frustrated and pressured because flispide was hard to read.
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u/DogeFancy cs_militia Jan 25 '17
im talking about the one from upper on B site, where tarik stuck the bomb instead fo tapping and rush didnt cover him, then ran straight for the bomb after tarik died and tried to stick it.
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 25 '17
he is playing good individually its just that they dont have a good b hold. and even if they gamble and get 2 uys its nearly impossible for them to hold a.
so kind of a gamble.
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 25 '17
They used to have a decent B hold. No idea what changed.
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 25 '17
they are practically doing the same thing. stan was holding it solo. it was just that their response times were better for rotations and the teams didnt know what was happening in b. that match against astralis kinda showed their weakness(hence flipside abused it cuz blade)
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u/JakeParry34 Jan 25 '17
Literally it seems like Stan is lagging. Like he takes so long to line up and shoot and hasn't gotten a single spray transfer/double in my memory of all 3 games. His calling is going decent but his play is like LEM right now.
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 25 '17
flipsid3 are really good on t side train ppl forget they beat a lot of top teams on it
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u/Naxk Jan 25 '17
The round that stood with me was on OpTic's T side, where electronic I think it was killed one inside ladder room and then 2 guys from OpTic went out T-con and got killed by him too, like, that wasn't called or what?
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Jan 25 '17
Dude that was some fucking awful CS.
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17
We VP now boys, playing to the level our opponents, shit against shit teams, good against good team.
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u/RoxasHerzloser Jan 25 '17
They can stil redeem themselves, their first 2 games were strong, and I guess we can ignore that first half shithow today.
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 25 '17
gotta give credit where its due.
blade is a mastermind and they played a magnificent t side.
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u/Opelucid Jan 25 '17
PLAYING THE LONG GAME, STARTING OFF LIKE ABSOLUTE SHITE TO PUT FLIPSID3 ON FULL TILT IN THE 2ND HALF, NA CS AT ITS FINEST
thank fuck for that
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u/Joshy54100 Jan 25 '17
Legit, that might be the hardest I've ever seen a team tilt in pro CS. They lost some rounds they should have won and there seemed to be a hostile team environment, really contributing to Optic's comeback.
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u/Crownlol Liquid Jan 25 '17
I don't know about hostile. The second camera angle on WayLanders table slam showed his bro helping him out
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u/Joshy54100 Jan 25 '17
Yeah, it's hard to say for sure what it was like, obviously I'm just guessing. I did hear the casters mention that electronic and Blad3 were having a heated argument and raising their voices a lot, though.
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u/Opelucid Jan 25 '17
Pretty much every time the camera panned to them after a round in the 2nd half, at least one player looked ready to kill themselves or a team mate. Hilarious
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u/Ub3ros FaZe Jan 25 '17
looks at team liquid
But isn't na cs the opposite? Starting of well then playing like absolute shite to put fans on full tilt
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
liquid should watch a shit ton of optic matches, because this is how you play after going down hard and get frustrated. what mental prowess. magnificent t side.
also Adria should comeback to become the full time coach of the team because this guy knows what he is talking about.
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u/ninjamuffinman Jan 25 '17
Pretty sure they tried to get him there for the major but had visa issues
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u/ConnorK5 Jan 25 '17
Oh Flipside that's just bad. Very bad.
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u/Lepojka1 Team Spirit Jan 25 '17
They had 12-5 and 5 vs 3, on CT side, and manage to lose it all and it was not even close, like WTF?!
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u/RoseL123 Liquid Jan 25 '17
is it me or is s1mple a bit of a boring rager
like u see it on reddit at the end of the game
"oh wow s1mple was flaming teammates"
but u can never remember it.
can u remember a single s1mple rage ?
but try B1ad3...u can see the cyka i remember a B1ad3 cyka.
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u/Digiorno_Pizza Jan 25 '17
Blad3 seemed more worried about swearing at his teammates than getting them to play well
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u/-JKN- Jan 25 '17
Watch the PoV games, there's one subtitled on inferno where he just flames his team every round
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u/Mmm_Hmmmmm Liquid Jan 25 '17
Waylander constantly getting shot in the back on B site CT side...
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u/lonnonzzombies Jan 25 '17
Don't forget the slow rotates and flanks that were too late to have any effect...
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u/Mmm_Hmmmmm Liquid Jan 25 '17
They must have just tilted off the face of the earth at the end
On CT side they kept playing on top of the trains without angles being held to prevent them from being shot from the side/back. They weren't communicating at all
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u/lonnonzzombies Jan 25 '17
Having supported this team since it was dAT back at cologne 2014 I have to say that was some of the most painful cs I've seen from f3, up there with that luminosity game on cobble from 2015. To come so close so many times and only get one round was horrible. They're gonna have to make a change soon imo otherwise they're not gonna go anywhere in the future. I think they're going to need to replace waylander with a player who can have more of an impact like chopper or Mir as waylander just can't seem to have any impact on gun rounds
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u/dragonitetrainer 400k Celebration Jan 25 '17
11 rounds in a row. I'm just so sad, I love F3 and wish they could be consistent.
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u/iSluff Jan 25 '17
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Follow these guidelines to keep your heart healthy:
Eat a balanced diet.
Maintain a reasonable body weight.
Stay at least moderately physically active, within any limits your cardiologist gives you.
Never watch OpTic gaming.
Check your cholesterol level regularly, especially if your family has a history of heart disease.
Avoid smoking tobacco, using intravenous drugs, or taking street drugs. These behaviors are even riskier for you than for people without congenital heart disease.
Get regular medical care from your primary care physician. Even though you have a cardiologist, you still need a primary care doctor who is in charge of all your medical care.
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See the section on Endocarditis for more information.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 25 '17
Optic did really well to get back into that match, and thank you for saving my pick em :)
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u/Nisheee NiP Jan 25 '17
This was one of the worst chokes I've witnessed, flipside can't handle pressure... the whole team forgot how to aim and they were too eager to find something to shoot at
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Jan 25 '17
Hearing Flipside screaming at each other in the middle of a round is all you need to know about their collapse on this match
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u/vvFury Renegades Jan 25 '17
Twice in a row, christ almighty, B1ad3 just gave OpTic the turkish delight. Now all flipsid3 have to do is beat NiP in a bo3 and they will get legendary status again! Wrote this at 10-5. Lol, thank mr good t side
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u/thekillertomato 10 years coin Jan 25 '17
I'm sitting here sweating over elimination round 27 and naf just flies down pop dog ladder like he's batman spraying at a CT
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 25 '17
And then either calls it out and optic streams out mid with no one looking at pop dog or he doesn't call out. Terrible communication.
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u/devoting_my_time Jan 25 '17
Brutal loss for Flipsid3, but for the good of the tournament I think Optic winning was the better result.
I think Flipsid3's CT side suffered as a result of them playing really far back on the bombsites, and really scared. Every round they allowed Optic to just walk out and get favorable duels - The one round they did win, was the one where Electronic pushed into Popdog and destroyed them.
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u/jonajon91 de_canals Jan 25 '17
I'm so sad. I had my witty picture of worldedit putting the F3 logo on optics green wall.
Poor Flipside :(
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17
GG man, great T side but not enough individual skill to pull through on CT.
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Jan 25 '17
http://comps.canstockphoto.com/can-stock-photo_csp0556939.jpg
Optic really showing why they are a top contender. Great mental strength to mount that comeback despite the pressure.
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u/Knorikus Jan 25 '17
We aren't going to make playoffs with those ct sides.
Also can we please FUCKING USE NADES ON ANTI-ECOS
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 25 '17
This ct isn't fair to compare. Lots of fakes and misdirections. Also optic had no economy for nades which you need on ct train.
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u/Knorikus Jan 25 '17
Their ct side against Astralis was bad too. Can't rely on T sides to carry every game.
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u/theChamp_isHere Jan 25 '17
Optic played well but Flipside threw away so many opportunities and could not hold a single bombsite for longer than 45 seconds
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u/John3192 CS2 HYPE Jan 25 '17
Very awful CS by OpTic. They need to communicate a lot better, if not it's GG tomorrow
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u/RoxasHerzloser Jan 25 '17
What teams are the possible match ups for them anyway? They should be fine from now on IMO, they really need to step up tho, performances like this won't help them against the strong teams.
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u/6spooky9you Jan 25 '17
Beautiful plays by both WayLander and electronic despite not closing it out at the end. What a heart-pounding game.
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u/y1i CS2 HYPE Jan 25 '17
How did Optic got even 5 rounds on CT? How the fuck can you lose long range duels against P250s on train with rifles. Flipside should have won the first half 12-3 or even higher and put the game to bed right there. Optic just relied on raw aim. Lots of wide peeks, walking out on sites without flashes, horrible to watch.
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u/Tsundere_God Jan 25 '17
Dude, Fucking hell. I thought OpTic had lost it once they lost the second pistol. Thank God.
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u/iamnotjex guardian Jan 25 '17
Sick fuckin casting by Dan "White James" Kapadia and James "Black DDK" "Yet to frag" "Zero frags" "Rosetta Stone" Bardolph. Nice job you two.
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u/AnarchyApple Jan 25 '17
God, man, I was worried Optic were going to be out of it. Hoping for them and Faze to break through to the playoffs.
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u/Cuttyflame123 Jan 25 '17
Yo guy, lets meet at the bridge in ten min so we can jump off.
I wrote that when it was 12-5 and just left the stream ready to cry myself to sleep. i was wrong. And looks like when i cheer on a team, they lost e.g. cloud 9 vs sk at Pro League S4i. but when i leave, they start winning. I should just enjoy optic replay at this points
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u/giantjensen Jan 25 '17
How many times will Flipside break the heart of their fans? Seems like every major they have matches where they are so close but can't close it out
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Jan 25 '17
They seemed to be arguing and raising their voices a lot, which doesn't really help when there's lots of pressure already...
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u/PrevailingYou G2 Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
That was fucking heartbreaking to watch
Edit:I don't really watch F3 much so I don't know how well they play individually, but I have huge respect for Blade as a player/IGL so I was rooting for them, and just from that it hurt, must be hell to be them though. So much pressure on that game.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 25 '17
They aren't good individually but on train their t sides are impossible to read and they play it so differently than other teams. Also optic was money screwed most of the half because they would win low buys and then never get a real full buy.
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u/rustyjame5 1 Million Celebration Jan 25 '17
electronic is really good. marik is still a beast but since he doesnt go for play people dont take notice of him.
same with worldedit, he is actually a t1 awper be it reflexes peeks or positioning.
but he also doesnt go dor big plays.
waylander ugh.
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17
I agree to an extent, but OpTic played their information plays so badly. So many times NaF pushed upper B or outer without any help or flashes & just gave them a free kill & opening onto the site.
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u/AustiforniaCSGOtrade howl Jan 25 '17
OpTic T side too fucking OP. Feel bad for flipside boys though gg
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u/archer-sc guardian Jan 25 '17 edited Jan 25 '17
OpTic getting revenge from last major
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u/MikeTheAverageReddit Jan 25 '17
Thank fuck, I was triggered that first half & after pistol & then I was calm, now I'm triggered again after seeing the Capital "C" in OpTic ;)
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u/Jamesbeach1 The MongolZ Jan 25 '17
I don't think I've ever seen a pro team with such poor aim before, so many advantages lost because they couldn't win duels.
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u/chuckstig Renegades Jan 25 '17
Hello Arby's, yes I'd like to order one new Legend to the Fox Theatre please.
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u/FOOTdive Jan 25 '17
Optic has what Liquid doesn't, mental strength to clutch in tense situations and the heart to fight through a large deficit.
GG WP
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u/patdan10 Jan 25 '17
F3 had a real chance of winning that until Optic just clicked and won all the duels. The meltdown here would've been hilarious if they'd pulled it off, though.
Also, Electronic is consistently impressing me, I really think he has some potential.
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Jan 25 '17
So glad to see them win after their shit luck, well deserved. Props to F3, especially electronic, they have been great.
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u/AeliusJS Jan 25 '17
This was hard. These two teams are two of my three favorites, and to have them play against each other was so upsetting. :(
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u/IAmAGermanShepherd 1 Million Celebration Jan 25 '17
F3 should have finished it, they choked hard. OG just walking in through brown halls -> upper on B at round 28, just unbelievable
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u/Getzy98 Jan 25 '17
It warms my heart to see Tarik comeback with a big performance GREENWALL is still alive boys!
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u/Luolatrollrc Jan 25 '17
Feels bad man. Sad for Flipsid3. Neither team won a single gunround on CT in this game, only forcebuys and antiecoes lmao.
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u/JeRazor Jan 25 '17
Flipsid3 do not know how to hold B site properly. Either Flipsid3 have to have one hold upper or Waylander needs to play a spot where he is not exposed from both upper and lower.
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u/Zefrom NiP Jan 25 '17
I need to see a psychiatrist after this match
At least they didnt play against North
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u/Jaymez27 Natus Vincere Jan 25 '17
F3 gives me depression. At least they're good at Rocket League :(
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Jan 25 '17
I swear that HLTV had this match listed for Wednesday...
Guess I missed it. Feels bad man. Sounds like it was a butt clencher.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Jan 25 '17
How do you lose from 12-5 with momentum on the CT side of train.
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Jan 25 '17
This match is going to revitalize Optic's major journey, to be down so far yet come back, that's gotta be uplifting as fuck.
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Jan 25 '17
FLIPSIDE TILTED ME OFF OF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. I picked optic and flipside to both go through to the playoffs, so I was going to lose no matter what.
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u/flick3d Jan 25 '17
Flipside has the worst aim/least talent of any pro team by FAR. They are SHOCKINGLY awful.
Waylander is the worst B site Train player in the world.
How F3 get so many rounds vs these McMuricans is beyond me. I don't think they could outaim random globals.
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u/Kambhela de_train Jan 25 '17
Waylander is the worst B site Train player in the world.
This was heavily complimented by terrible communication. They got surprised from upper THREE times in a spot where they had at least 2 players on inner. Once Waylander was on top of 3rd train, the other guy on B was not watching upper and he just gets shot by people coming out. Another time Markeloff gets picked way back by Mixwell, not sure if he was even watching upper or sleeping. Third time again no one watching upper when they had Waylander, Markeloff and Worldedit inside.
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u/VSENSES de_dust2 Jan 25 '17
Sounds like you lost a lot of money on this game for some reason. You know they all would rape you 1 on 1 when they've just woken up right?
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 25 '17
waylander aced 2nd ct round and then didnt get a kill the rest of the half lmao
hope they drop this bot
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u/buldieb 750k Celebration Jan 25 '17
Jesus fuck, NA teams took 10 years off my life today.