r/GlobalOffensive • u/Chuckys2 Match Thread Team • Jan 24 '17
Discussion | eSports North vs HellRaisers / ELEAGUE Major 2017 - Round 3 / Post-Match Discussion
North 1-0 HellRaisers
Mirage: 19-15
HellRaisers have been eliminated.
Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Mirage
| Team | T | CT | OT1CT:T | Total |
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| North | 8 | 7 | 3:1 | 19 |
| CT | T | OT1^T:CT | ||
| HR | 7 | 8 | 0:0 | 15 |
| North | K | A | D |
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| Magiskb0Y | 35 | 4 | 22 |
| RUBINO | 24 | 3 | 21 |
| cajunb | 23 | 4 | 22 |
| k0nfig | 19 | 4 | 27 |
| MSL | 17 | 4 | 25 |
| HR | |||
| ANGE1 | 31 | 8 | 29 |
| STYKO | 26 | 4 | 26 |
| Zero | 25 | 5 | 19 |
| bondik | 21 | 2 | 25 |
| DeadFox | 14 | 5 | 19 |
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u/AwpTicTech Liquid Jan 24 '17
FADE THAT FLAIR
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u/SirJacobTehgamarh Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
time to switch back to vp :(
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u/howdybear Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
VP FLAIR WILL NEVER FADE
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u/DorolXc MOUZ Jan 24 '17
Hold on with us! Im sure better times are over the horizon! But seriously.. from what I have heard, Hellraisers were happy to get dem stickers finally and didnt actually prepare that hard game wise.. You could even see it from their faces, they were smiling and laughing even while loosing by a big margin. Im sure, that they will start actually praccing for the next tournament and show us their potential to a full extend!
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u/SirJacobTehgamarh Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
Well I only put on HR flair for this tournament because I'm a fan of them. Usually though I have the vp flair since they are my favourite team with HR being the second fav. Also styko said that they pracced really hard up to 14 hours a day and that he personally is really burned out and bored of the game.
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u/DorolXc MOUZ Jan 24 '17
Heard a different story then. Doesnt really matter whos right know. All im sayin is that HR is not out of the scene yet and they still do have potential to raise some eye borrows
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u/Smothdude 1 Million Celebration Jan 24 '17
We still have so much inexperienced players. Can't wait to see what we can come up for with the next major.
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u/Gabiden Jan 24 '17
Zero saving for next major qualifier
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u/try-D Astralis Jan 24 '17
just wait til he's playing the pistol in the next major with that exact M4
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u/IamBrazilian_AMA 500k Celebration Jan 24 '17
Even tho they got this win I was really expecting North to do better in this major.. Struggling as top6 team against HR ? Maybe too much pressure ?
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Jan 24 '17
They never were this elite team some people try to make them. If you take out Epicenter all that's left is some garbage level results. People treat them like a favorite because of a fluke tournament three months ago.
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u/niNja_ma MOUZ Jan 24 '17
in fairness.. their roster looks sick and should be good. MSL has pretty good strats so it's fine if he doesn't frag much. They're definitely much better than HR... but they're playing pretty bad (well, very slow start)
their second star, k0nfig, has not been showing up at all
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u/E_blanc Astralis Jan 24 '17
Similar to old G2 and Faze, on paper looked sick, just never showed up other than at Cluj sadly.
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u/niNja_ma MOUZ Jan 24 '17
They're not doing too bad though, no shut outs or anything, and their T side executes are pretty good. k0nfig (second star) is just not showing up...
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u/fii0 Vitality Jan 24 '17
Rubino does instead though. Crazy consistent.
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u/BEE_REAL_ Jan 24 '17
Crazy consistent.
Idk if you saw that graph that got posted a few weeks ago but Rubio is statistically the most inconsistent player on any top team lol
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u/Hzwo FaZe Jan 24 '17
it was because one of his ratings was 3.x on one map...without the map he was one of the most consistent players
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Jan 24 '17
while I agree with you. If a team is good on paper but doesn't have results to back up the quality of the roster, they're a bad team. Not a good one. Real Madrid would be a shit team if they lose every game regardless of Cristiano Ronaldo, Marcelo, Bale, etc.
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u/niNja_ma MOUZ Jan 24 '17
I think they're still a young team and just got a new sponsor (new kind of pressure). We need to give them a little time. Maybe it doesn't work out? but they should be good on paper; once all of them get in the flow and show up in matches, I think they'll be a threat. If they continue to underperform, I'm sure they'll make a change.
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u/HiderDK Jan 24 '17
And remember that in Epicenter they only went 9-6 maps!
So it wasn't even a dominant tournament win. And as you point out, if you exclude that win, then the rest of their matches suggests a team that wasn't in the top 4-5.
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Jan 24 '17
Wasn't a fluke. They beat some really good teams.
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Jan 24 '17
And what have they done since?
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Jan 24 '17
Not much. What does that have to do with their win though? Doesn't mean it was a fluke at all. Did you even watch it? They won because they played really well, not because of luck.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Jan 24 '17
They had good performances vs SK in several other tournaments..
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Jan 24 '17
And lost every one of them.
I mean, SK eliminated them from ECS and Eleague, even though they won a Bo1 against SK in the same ECS.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Jan 24 '17
Losing to SK is bad nowadays?
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Jan 24 '17
No, you just pointed out they had good performances against them as if this alone would make them look good. Well, they truly had good performances but couldn't turn them into wins.
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u/dkula Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
It's cause they almost never get 2-0 or 3-0, at least since that win. And they constantly run into SK who kinda fucks them up
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u/kingroudel BIG Jan 24 '17
they are just overhyped by Thorin
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u/pete9129 Astralis Jan 24 '17
Yup because Thorin is the only analyst ever to praise the team.
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u/oioioi9537 fnatic Jan 24 '17
im so sick of hearing analysts and casters overhype north like they're a for-sure tier 1 team. they haven't achieved anything outside epicenter
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Jan 24 '17
Not really. They were ranked #2 at one point by HLTV.
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To be fair they are also highly ranked on HLTV so you would expect them to play better anyway.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 24 '17
Hellriasers lose rounds by getting caught in between two spots and getting over aggressive. Losing that 2v4 was exactly that. Being way too over aggressive for no reason at all. And then round 22 the 2v2 they try to challenge the fight on cat again for no reason at all. That fight is so hard for the t side. Hellraisers take so long to tie a site they always have barely any nades left. Bondik firing for a distraction was beautiful. Hellraisers just allowed north to come back and they accomplished on it.
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u/MyFriendIsInsane Jan 24 '17
The amount of times I saw them running around like idiots was way too high.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 24 '17
Yeah the 2v2 wasn't as bad. And then some other round they tried to contact a when north had no nades. It just seemed as they always took the harder fights instead of taking the easier play.
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u/Shaun2Legit Jan 24 '17
I'm so conflicted. I had HR as my 0-3 but I want them to do well ;_;
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u/Shaun2Legit Jan 24 '17
As a team in general. I expected them to tank at the major, and while the games were much closer than I expected, they did.
They're not a bad team, but they can't play at the top level consistently.
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u/Alp0llo Jan 24 '17
Im not even mad. Styko, Zero and DeadFox were never at a major. Its like Thorin said its not the same as other tournaments. Im just happy they finally got the experience of a major and I hope they will stick together and try to get even better and maybe become legends in the next one or just win some good games.
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u/DorolXc MOUZ Jan 24 '17
yep, totally agree with you. Im pretty sure they will prep harder for the next tournament
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u/i_wave_to_koalas NiP Jan 24 '17
That was such a struggle but a win is a win. K0nfig need to step up tomorrow if they want to have a chance. Great game from Magisk though.
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u/c_Lassy The MongolZ Jan 24 '17
Ugh if they didn't lose that 2v4...
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 24 '17
And then the 2v2 next round they did the same thing trying to fight a guy on cat for no reason. Also should have hunted harder for rifles in round 29
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u/Nisheee NiP Jan 24 '17
I just wish HR had the chance to play on a map they are decent at :(
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u/niNja_ma MOUZ Jan 24 '17
their own fault really.. their map pool is too small and they got veto'd to hell
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u/fu3ll Copenhagen Flames Jan 24 '17
Only map they cant play at all is Dust2. Outside of that they ban depending on the opponent but the randomizer chose the worse map for them in every game this major. At least they got lucky with it during major quali
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u/dominodomine Jan 24 '17
Well, they only really got lucky against c9
Hr are specialists in getting butt fucked confirmed
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u/fu3ll Copenhagen Flames Jan 24 '17
They got lucky in every single win. Dont think they would beat NiP/mouz on Cache. However, HR had 2 bans in all of those games so in a normal system with 3 bans for both teams HR would win anyway.
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u/jospence Godsent Jan 25 '17
Reminds me of this other team... why are you staring at my flair? Move along
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u/enbeez Jan 24 '17
Did anyone clip that shot in the last round by magisk on angel?
Edit: https://clips.twitch.tv/eleaguetv/SpotlessSandpiperEleGiggle
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u/ehciN Jan 24 '17
I feel sad for DeadFox, finally makes it to the major and then has one of the worst performances of his career. :/
On the other hand, seems Magisk finally shows up big once more.
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u/HoeRak Astralis Jan 24 '17
Cloud 9 died for this
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u/iSluff Jan 24 '17
Somebody has to go 0-3. Decent performance from HR. I'm sure they're disappointed, but they did OK.
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u/DorolXc MOUZ Jan 24 '17
Wouldnt say so, they did not expect anything.. They happy for the sticker money
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u/iSluff Jan 24 '17
Maybe they didn't expect anything, but I'm sure they hoped for something. I wouldn't have ruled out them picking up some wins and I'm sure they didn't either.
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u/CheeseWillEatUs Liquid Jan 24 '17
I knew I made the right decision making Hellraisers my 0-3 pick.
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u/SirJacobTehgamarh Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
The synergy in HR just isn't there. I don't think they will get anywhere if they have to communicate in english which bondik and maybe deadfox aren't very proficient in.
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u/Alp0llo Jan 24 '17
I dont think the language was the problem it was the aggresion they had. They always overpeaked.
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u/SirJacobTehgamarh Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
I think they really don't trust eachother. Often 2 people whould check the same corner and would end up getting shot from another one. The lack of synergy is definietly there.
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u/slothpedro Jan 24 '17
Exactly this. I was so frustraded watching the game. Every time they traded a kill one of then overpeak and die leaving then in a 3x2 or 2x1 situation.
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Jan 24 '17
Deadfox's previous team was an international one where they all spoke english. I doubt that its a problem for him.
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u/DorolXc MOUZ Jan 24 '17
Yep, they did some silly mistakes. I think the overall communication's gettin better
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u/Naxk Jan 24 '17 edited Jan 24 '17
It's impressive, every round that went by I thought "MSL can't play the next one worse than that", but he managed to prove me wrong every time, if it wasn't for RUBINO on the 14-15 they would've lost that game.
He needs to step up massively.
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u/MyFriendIsInsane Jan 24 '17
The last few rounds they played on CT he had a sick hold on Apps.
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u/Impulseps BIG Jan 24 '17
Quite the opposite, the non-star part of North is playing as well as they should. MSL cajun and rubino aren't struggling at all, and magisk has stepped up today.
It's the star player k0nfig that is not at his expected and needed level.
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u/Naxk Jan 24 '17 edited Jan 24 '17
Just go watch the demo or the match again if you want, MSL played like total shit and made a huge amount of mistakes that almost cost them the entire match, it really blew my mind.
I didn't say anything about cajun or rubino, they played well, it's MSL the only one that I'm complaining about.
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u/Knorikus Jan 24 '17
ANGE1 was giving up dumb deaths all game. Way too aggressive. Cost HR a lot of rounds.
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u/Creonik Jan 24 '17
Yeah, that's what he always does. Analysts and casters hyping him for winnig rounds but he but they don't care he loses the next three.
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u/Doktor_Elcaro Jan 24 '17
I don't know what I expected really, but I'm kinda sad to see it end so early for HR. Deadfox was REALLY underwhelming, though, I must admit.
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u/Alp0llo Jan 24 '17
Its his really big event. You cant expect an insane performance at the first time.
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u/Kyle_the_Avacado Gambit Jan 24 '17
That was an unexpectedly fantastic match. Congrats to North. Sad to see Hellraisers go but they really put up a fight.
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u/fu3ll Copenhagen Flames Jan 24 '17
At least 1 decent performance from HR. With how North is looking they would propably win Overpass. No more randomizer pls ;_;
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u/Zarrq Liquid Jan 24 '17
Most exciting match so far of this major IMO. As a neutral all of the clutches that came down to 1v1s and 2s still had my butt clenched. I can't imagine how much magisk's back hurts
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u/niNja_ma MOUZ Jan 24 '17
I think the G2 VP match was the most exciting :3.. it was some crazy, unorthodox cs.
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u/Zarrq Liquid Jan 24 '17
Yeah that's fair enough, Just seeing how close it got at the end and it being an elimination match was really exciting. G2 VP was really good though
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u/FamilyShoww HEROIC Jan 24 '17
I wonder if all the people who raged at CadiaN for giving up in a 1v4 are gonna rage at Zero here, because he essentially did the same thing as CadiaN in that last round.
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u/mileseverett Jan 24 '17
Zero would have had to run to the bomb and try and defuse. Cadian had a solid minute to play with
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u/FamilyShoww HEROIC Jan 24 '17
If you look at the whole 1v4 he basically decided to not go for it earlier than that and tried to pad his stats instead.
In the CadiaN-thread people were all about how you don't give up until it's actually 100 % over, and Zero still had a chance to YOLO onto the site and try a defuse.
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u/CraftyBro FaZe Jan 24 '17
What an incredible game, both teams turned up and played some exceptional cs
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u/brunners90 FaZe Jan 24 '17
Why does every team I support in any game/sport INSIST on giving my heart attacks at every possible moment. Yay North, reverse sweep your way into the playoffs!!
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u/VSENSES de_dust2 Jan 24 '17
That match got my heart pumping! Sad to see North winning in the end tho. :( But it was a great watch anyways.
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u/IAmAGermanShepherd 1 Million Celebration Jan 24 '17
North looking so bad, they don't deserve to leave the group tbh
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u/Bulletspong3 valeria Jan 24 '17
What a fucking game, man. I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't one of the most exciting games of the year already.
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u/Wesai de_overpass Jan 24 '17
Before OT started I had no idea what team was going to win but whatever motivation that kept Hellraisers going was completely lost on OT.
Props to both teams and specially North for staying in the tournament!
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u/Tuxed0Duck Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
They have potential but really need to prove more, get more experience and improve a lot. They lack confidence if they have this much pressure against HR.
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u/daho1 Jan 24 '17
Sorry but when you throw away a 4v2 with flashes and smokes and you decide to rush them down when it's 11-8 and an eco next round you deserve nothing but to go home, it was absolutely shocking, matchmaking stuff
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u/Kravvv Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
HR played decent, but North definitely doesn't live up to the hype, same thing happened in Cologne, the difference is that Magisk might actually carry the deadweight like MSL ( don't get me wrong, he's a decent IGL but it doesn't excuse subpar performances all the time)
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u/dinosaurxress Jan 24 '17
I couldn't count the amount of times Hellraisers got shot in the back because of bad positioning. They died so many times from cat and the amount of times they lost 2v1 duels because they peeked one by one is mind boggling.
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u/MJuniorDC9 Jan 24 '17
Great game by Magisk, Rubino and cajun, but that was North. MSL and k0nfig were really bad today. And boy it should be a easy win for those guys. Mirage, HR, everything set up for a 16 - <10.
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u/theEmoPenguin Natus Vincere Jan 24 '17
Didnt want to waste 1 euro for HR sticker, but pick'em forced me to.
Congratulations to everyone who are the 97% that picked HR as a 0-3 team.
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u/TheSadGhost 5 years coin Jan 24 '17
RIP my 0-3 on North
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u/BuckNekkid18 Jan 24 '17
Why would you pick North to go 0-3 to begin with.
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u/jospence Godsent Jan 25 '17
Because they have not made it out of groups in the past few tournaments and haven't been looking that great. Risky pick, but not unimaginable
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Jan 24 '17
MSL stats are absolutely horrid, North is playing 4v5 almost every game. http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=246&playerid=7156
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u/MaNNuelMs4m CS2 HYPE Jan 24 '17
It's not related to this, but i would appreciate if anyone answer me...
If VP goes 3-0 will i get the pick em points, even though i din't pick them to 3-0 but to only pass the groups
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 24 '17
will take a miracle to make the playoffs if north keep playing like this
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u/Juliendnb Jan 24 '17
k0nfig needs to get his head out of his ass and stop peeking connector alone like its an online match.
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u/leitoplm Natus Vincere Jan 24 '17
North screaming after every round but nobody hating on them. Is this happens because we are from brazil?
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Jan 24 '17
Yeah...I chose North to go 3-0. At this rate, they won't even get 2 wins. Looking terrible.
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u/TimeToFloat NiP Jan 24 '17
What a great match. Neither team deserves to be eliminated.
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u/IuriAmauri FURIA Jan 24 '17 edited Jan 24 '17
Both deserve, actually. North was supposed to be good.
They almost couldn't handle a team that SK with a stand in, and mouz(!) dispatched very easily.
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u/AlpinaBot Jan 24 '17
Why did Zero give up on the last round? Wtf? Instead of running away, just run in and defuse... there is always a 1 in a million chance you could spray them both down and still win.
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u/SirJacobTehgamarh Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
I think he should have been faster on the retake but after he killed the guy in jungle he already had no chance to win.
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u/AlpinaBot Jan 24 '17
There would have been if he ran straight to the bomb instead of throwing his molly and waiting.
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u/BuckNekkid18 Jan 24 '17
By the time he decided to drop the awp for an ak it was too late for him. He had no kit and they were still waiting for him on A ramp.
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u/AlpinaBot Jan 24 '17
Pretty sure he had a kit, but maybe i'm wrong then that's the only reason he would run away...
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Jan 24 '17
HR didn't even do that badly. Considering North is considered a tier one team by a lot of analysts, HR really pushed them to their limits. They should keep their head up.
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God damn it I had north as my 0-3 :(
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u/NetSraC1306 Virtus.pro Jan 24 '17
Having HR and Liquid to advance while Godsent is your 3-0 team
What the heck were you smoking dude?
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u/VanHooliganX Jan 24 '17
Hahahahaha get fucked you shit bastards. Instantly out lol
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u/IamJacksWasteOfTime NiP Jan 24 '17
nice flair you got there bud
inb4 nip flair
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u/VanHooliganX Jan 24 '17
In after nip flair. Thanks you too. One day we'll both be relevant again :(
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North really is looking fucking terrible. There is no way they get to playoffs in my opinion.
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u/schnupfndrache7 Jan 24 '17
when North games get that intense I'm worried Magisk's head is about to explode