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Discussion | eSports Natus Vincere vs Team EnVyUs / ELEAGUE Major 2017 - Round 2 / Post-Match Discussion
Natus Vincere 1-0 Team EnVyUs
Cobblestone: 16-6
Who was the MVP for this map? (POLL)
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MAP: Cobblestone
| Team | CT | T | Total |
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| Na'Vi | 12 | 4 | 16 |
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| nV | 3 | 3 | 6 |
| Na'Vi | K | A | D |
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| flamie | 25 | 5 | 10 |
| seized | 18 | 5 | 12 |
| Edward | 18 | 3 | 13 |
| s1mple | 18 | 0 | 14 |
| GuardiaN | 13 | 2 | 12 |
| nV | |||
| Happy | 17 | 2 | 19 |
| apEX | 14 | 2 | 19 |
| kennyS | 11 | 6 | 18 |
| SIXER | 10 | 2 | 18 |
| NBK- | 9 | 6 | 18 |
Map Detailed Stats
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u/K0nvict NiP Jan 23 '17
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u/TheHitchHiker517 1 Million Celebration Jan 23 '17
I love these prepared memes coming in the moment the post goes up. I can just see you sitting at your PC imagining all the glorious karma.
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u/K0nvict NiP Jan 23 '17
yes
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u/kiwinazgul Jan 23 '17
Do you have one prepared in case Envy won?
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Jan 23 '17
IIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii don't get it
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u/KilboxNoUltra Gambit Jan 24 '17
Baguettes - french, flamie destryed some baguettes today, pretty simple
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Jan 23 '17
Guess mouz wasn't that bad after all
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Jan 23 '17
Or Envy are bad as well
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u/CaJeB3 Vitality Jan 23 '17
I actually think that Envy didn't play bad, NaVi just played really good. On ct they always had 4 players on the site that envy was taking. Their economy was almost always on breaking point, still they manage to pull all the rounds trough.
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u/Arkani Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
There are two kind of people - ones who praise and ones who flame. The latter part will always believe that the team that doesn't win is shit.
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u/ajwhite98 Jan 23 '17
Can't it be both?
We got absolutely wrecked by NaVi, so clearly they were looking good, but we weren't exactly looking phenomenal and just getting outplayed. Mistakes were made.
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u/Follow_The_Lore MOUZ Jan 23 '17
Hey Mouse/Envy might play tomorrow!
We shall see who is worse ;)
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u/snake-doc Jan 23 '17
Guess that redeems mouz' loss somewhat.
I LOVE the 3rd round buy after a lost pistol round. Glad to see a pro team having the balls to try it.
Playing a top team when they haven't played in a while and have been bootcamping like crazy must be one of the shittiest draws possible.
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u/DutchWarDog MOUZ Jan 23 '17
EnVy losing doesn't say much.
More ''redeeming'' is that it's one of Mouz' worst maps, which they some how like to play. e.e
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u/Cameter44 Jan 23 '17
I feel like Mouz made their whole game plan assuming Na'Vi would ban cobble since it hasn't been a good map for them. Then when Na'Vi didn't ban it, Mouz were caught off guard and unprepared for it.
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u/hajlajf NiP Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
KennyS seems like such an emotionally unstable player. From what I've seen before and on this major he looks dejected many of the lost clutch rounds, and the shaking when his adrenaline is pumping can't really help.
WP NaVi.
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u/Hrothgar2 Jan 23 '17
Plus his aim was not really on point
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u/hajlajf NiP Jan 23 '17
I just feel this is coming from that emotional instability.
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u/wndzyo G2 Jan 23 '17
his aim was pretty bad vs liquid yesterday also, missed some crucial shots on CT B.
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u/MassiveRaptor Jan 23 '17
Funny ppl said last time it i was the freezing air on the stadium.. yeah.. ofc.
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u/norielukas Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
Came home from work, made food, checked twitter GuardiaN: "Playing envyus soon" - 43 minutes ago.
Turn on stream, game over.
Fak.
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u/NetSraC1306 Virtus.pro Jan 23 '17
If I could get a dollar for everytime I hear a version of "happy is the only one left"....
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u/Hrothgar2 Jan 23 '17
Actually not really his fault on this map, Sixer, kennyS and Nbk playing very poorly
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Jan 23 '17
probably cause he was solo a and the whole team was getting raped. Happy's lurk is only impactful if the team is impactful and they can get in the site with the bomb down
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
probably because he was their solo a player while navi kept going b? happy was their best player that game, not that its a huge achievement the way they were playing
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u/p4ndemik1 5 years coin Jan 23 '17
on t side happy was last alive probably 75% of the rounds . Happy is the definition of a useless lurker . he isn't cutting of rotates , he isn't pressuring the other side of the map to stop players from rotating. Thenonly thing he's doing is walking in and killing people after his whole team is dead and that does not make him their best player. Meaningless drags to not result in round wins making them still meaningless. Right not happy is an ineffective baited not a good lurker at all.
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Jan 23 '17
Happy is the definition of a useless lurker
You should try actually watching the game before you say something so untrue.
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u/throwaway9901234 G2 Jan 23 '17
won both pistol rounds... ends up with 16-6. nV guys
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Jan 23 '17
to be fair they only won the first pistol round, but won the second round of the second half
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u/schweppesvidya King NiKo Jan 23 '17
NBK looked terrible this game. Also he keeps randomly jumping because of a loose scrollwheel on his EC2 A lol
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u/iW4t3R Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
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u/schweppesvidya King NiKo Jan 23 '17
Thats even worse and basically means he's been playing like an idiot for 2 days straight
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u/p4ndemik1 5 years coin Jan 23 '17
I keep noticing this ...I'm like every time the camera is on him hrs randomly jumping and shooting
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u/Yumadapuma King NiKo Jan 24 '17
When I had a Rival I had scrollwheel bound to weapon switching, but had to unbind them once I switched to the EC2A cause it's so goddamn sensitive and cost me a couple rounds in CS.
I bought another one on Amazon but I guess it's just a feature of the EC2A. The EC1A has a much less sensitive scrollwheel though.
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u/purz Jan 23 '17
Nice to see that Navi might actually be turning s1mple into a team player. Instead of the usual cater to everything I do and I don't care how it effects everyone elses play s1mple.
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u/aimanace94 Jan 23 '17
that navi full eco on second round is pure genius
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u/leitoplm Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
New Meta myfriend, they even had gun superiority on third
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u/hajlajf NiP Jan 23 '17
The lack of helmet on the m4 players could backfire though. Love the idea of not giving the mac10 kills in round 2 though.
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u/Follow_The_Lore MOUZ Jan 23 '17
Yeah, Envy running with 2 mac 10's + ump into 4 assualt rifles + 1 ump lol
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u/Grindstone8 1 Million Celebration Jan 23 '17
That game was even more one-sided than it looked. EnvyUs won BOTH pistol rounds and Na'Vi still won 16-6. Imagine if it was the other way around and Na'Vi had won both pistol rounds.
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Jan 23 '17
good plays from happy that game
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 23 '17
yes he was late on a few flanks but most of the time his entire team was getting raped b while he was holding a solo. not his fault navi was just the stronger team
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u/Lohkier howl Jan 23 '17
Individually, Happy played a very decent game. I think his problem is not so much his individual performance, but more the standard lurk-setup that nV uses and that every team sees straight through. On multiple round you could see Navi rotating players from B to A as soon as someone made contact with Happy in drop, because they KNOW that means the rest of his team is on the other side of the map.
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 23 '17
agreed but i think the main reason his lurking doesnt work is the rest of envy. as a lurk you are supposed to come in behind cts on a retake and put pressure on them but obviously that doesnt work if your team can never get entries or take a bombsite. its not a problem with him or his role, its more the rest of the team imo.
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u/Lohkier howl Jan 23 '17
Yeah fair enough, at least this game. Happy would flank from drop and get 2 kills and still be in a 1v3 because no one else managed to get a frag.
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Jan 23 '17
Calling it now, Na'Vi will win this major.
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u/Xicu CS2 HYPE Jan 23 '17
I wouldn't be mad, after so many chances in the past, I want to see them winning a major.
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u/Jamesbeach1 The MongolZ Jan 23 '17
Coming from 2 cobblestone maps?
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Jan 23 '17
Thats the thing with predictions.. calling it after they are up 1:0 in the finals is kinda pointless no?
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Jan 23 '17
It's a prediction, so don't take it too serious. But I don't know, I just have a good feeling about them. They look well prepared and we already know they have the players to win tournaments.
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Jan 23 '17
Na'vi might just win the major
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u/DerpAntelope Astralis Jan 23 '17
We've only seen them play cobble.
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 23 '17
with this lineup? weve seen them play many different maps, its not like theyre going to get worse at any of them without all that bootcamping
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u/Cameter44 Jan 23 '17
To be fair, that speaks well for them. Cobble wasn't a good map for this lineup in the past so the fact that they look good on it now means they have a stronger map pool than before.
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Jan 23 '17
Nice to see Happy getting his quota of failed clutches, failed lurks, failed baits and save kills for the major in one map.
Edited to add: I watched 90% of the match on GOTV through his POV.
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Jan 23 '17
ITT: People who don't realize that Happy was lurking really well today.
Oh well. Circle jerkers gonna circle jerk
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u/tek9knaller Jan 23 '17
Yeah it's sad, it's literally his job to not rush and die with the team, of course he's left alone last a lot of the time. He's actually very competent at his role. Now whether playing with a full time lurker is effective is another question, but that's not his fault, that's a team problem.
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u/Freelance_ Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
It's unfortunate people call Happy a bad lurker because despite not being as strong a lurker as he was a year or two ago, he still has glimpses of that old form when the rest of his team gets the entries needed for him to lurk. Makes his baiting look much worse than it actually is IMO.
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u/Rektalalchemist BIG Fan Jan 23 '17
Oh pls.. yesterday on cache he was baiting 24/7 still having low impact. This guy man..
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u/Arya35 Jan 23 '17
One gun round won on t, yeah he's a great lurk, winning 0 clutches, at least he top fragged though
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u/iSwedishVirus Jan 23 '17
At least nV won both pistol rounds (:
seriously tho, never expected nV to win against Na'Vi so not really disappointed at all. Oh well gotta look ahead to tomorrow!
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u/ajwhite98 Jan 23 '17
Still, though, that game was just...ouch.
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u/iSwedishVirus Jan 23 '17
i mean you can't really have high hopes vs a team that has their shit together while nV has been broken for months now lol
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u/ajwhite98 Jan 23 '17
I was expecting to lose, but I wasn't expecting to get straight up embarrassed. Though I probably should've been, lol.
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u/DutchWarDog MOUZ Jan 23 '17
Happy's style of lurking doesn't work if his team is not good enough.
He actually had some proper lurks, but it is useless if your team dies before you can have any impact.
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Jan 23 '17
The Happy hate is ridiculous, how is it his fault if his team decides to get instantly destroyed the second they enter a bombsite or fail to hold a bombsite.
Obviously he didn't cut off the rotates well enough /s
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u/Violent_Bounce Astralis Jan 23 '17
I think Happy definitely didn't play to his top potential. But anyone who has tried knows that's incredibly hard to do as the lurk if the rest of the team isn't performing either. And it's not like they even played any worse than they have in recent months. Na'Vi just unleashed on them in a huge way. There's a fire under their asses this major.
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Jan 23 '17
He played fine considering how poorly some of the other players on his team played. And Happy hasn't been playing at his top potential for a long time now tbh...
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u/Freelance_ Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
It's because the majority of people who hate on Happy are players who are used to pugs and matchmaking only and have no idea what it is like to have a role in a team environment. Happy is definitely one of the more passive lurkers in the pro scene but his playstyle is still effective when his team is able to make an effective push.
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Jan 23 '17
His style depends on his team working picks slowly, but his team just dies to two people on the bombsite instead, what's he supposed to do?
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u/Tixicot G2 Jan 23 '17
Cobblestone every match for NaVi please.
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u/Advanced- Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
I'm reserving my judgement until they actually play a good team on cobble. Both mouz and Envy are on the lower side of this major.
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u/CaJeB3 Vitality Jan 23 '17
I guess you won't see much cobble from navi anymore. I don't think teams are that stupid to try it again. Envy didn't even play bad, NaVi just played really good.
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Jan 23 '17
Na'Vi looking good on cbble, I'm excited to see a match between Na'Vi and Gambit on cbble
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u/kautzy Jan 23 '17
The change in NaVis CT-Side on cbble is amazing! They used to look so shaky as CT under Zeus but now it‘s a tight-knit defense with great set ups and support always seems to be on hand if someone is in trouble.
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u/cyberbemon Jan 23 '17
Navi looks fucking scary on cobble. Also their playstyle feels so different, so much composure and discipline!
for eg. when Apex got the backstab on CT pistol, I thought the round was over, but they played that so well and almost came close to winning it.
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Jan 23 '17
If I put navi to make it through groups, but they make it through groups going 3-0, do I still get my pickem points?
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u/ranyi Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
navi looks so fuckin good rn. apex was a beast, but guardian and flamie was even more savage. dat pistol eco meta
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u/BeepBep101 Liquid Jan 23 '17
First time watching comp, Why do people keep typing !steam in to th chat?
Also that Quad kill tho
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u/DeltaCrops 750k Celebration Jan 23 '17
Because !drop got banned
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u/Mubeenc Jan 23 '17
People are typing !steam prolly because !drop was banned. these words don't do anything.
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 23 '17
flamie is back boiz
also hot damn navi is looking amazing again, i am so excited
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Jan 23 '17
This team won more money than the major winner will on a tournament with very poor competition...
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u/AemonDK Jan 23 '17
nothing is as depressing as watching nv lose to na'vi... they used to beat them every fucking time
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u/Neuroxian Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
Envyus haven't been able to beat Na'Vi consistently for a while now mate
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Jan 23 '17
did kenny and happy just go mute in the round they dropped the bomb with 10 seconds left. they both just held their angles
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u/full-of-lead Godsent Jan 23 '17
It kinda feels like Na'Vi are invincible, but nV actually played crap.
I do hope they won't get a nasty surprise tomorrow, that might shatter some of this confidence building up. Having said that, I do cheer for Na'Vi to win this entire thing if my guys get Homesent. :)
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit Jan 23 '17
Round 2 might be the first round of competitive CS I saw that ended not only with 10 players alive, but not a single HP being lost.
Stacking 1 site on a full eco like this, though, is genius. If you guess right - the enemy is walking into a 5-man stack, so advantage you, even with inferior weaponry. If you guess wrong - the enemy gets a free round, but without any bonus cash from SMGs (unless they try to hunt you down, but that's unlikely: for all they know, you might've force-bought).
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u/thedem de_overpass Jan 23 '17
Not gonna lie, the way they recovered from the lost pistol rounds showed me how they were playing chess whole nV was playing checkers
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u/RicharDANKNixon Jan 23 '17
anyone have that twitter video where semmler is interviewing happy while the whole team is smoking after they just lost to navi in a tourney. I forget which tournament it was.
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 23 '17
Happy has the most kills but no impact and most kills are from an unsuccessful bait.
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 23 '17
yeah god what a baiter why cant he 1v5 them after his entire team gets destroyed in 5 seconds
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 23 '17
No what I'm saying is if your team can't get on the site maybe hard lurking isn't the best game plan.
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 23 '17
no game plan is going to work out with the way the rest of his team was playing
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Jan 23 '17
I'm so looking forward to NA sucking again, so all of you fair-weather fan can go back into hibernation.
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u/FriendlyFarmer1987 Gambit Jan 23 '17
damn Happy would really piss me off i would be an Envyus Fan
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u/CohensDisciple FURIA Jan 23 '17
What about the rest of the team? 4 players on B and they got wrecked every time.
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u/schoki560 King NiKo Jan 23 '17
Why? He played okay.. rest of NV really was a let down
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u/NineWilcox Jan 23 '17
Well... I don't know about you, but the scoreboard isn't the only thing that dictates a player's success. He was left alone several times allowing him to get pointless and superficial frags that had no real impact on the other team.
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Jan 23 '17
I love him. He did a great job
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u/Rektalalchemist BIG Fan Jan 23 '17
He was terrific! He did a fantastic job, we have the best baiter. Even better than China.
Trump out
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Jan 23 '17
that round where 4/5 nV players died on B and we just see Happy walking out long on the other side of the map was fucking hilarious
reminds me of the John Travolta gif from Pulp Fiction
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u/dfaeaf Gambit Jan 23 '17
yet everyone is still blaming him for his entire team dying in 5 seconds lmfao. "why doesnt happy just teleport over to b site and help his team fucking baiter???"
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u/TiNcHoX7 Jan 23 '17
is happy always baiting ?
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u/Dacder Team Spirit Jan 23 '17
He was their solo A player and NaVi kept going B...
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u/zatooishwan Natus Vincere Jan 23 '17
ITS BEEN A LONG TIME BOYS