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Discussion | eSports Virtus.pro vs OpTic Gaming / ELEAGUE Major 2017 - Round 1 / Post-Match Discussion
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Cobblestone: 16-13
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MAP: Cobblestone
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| VP | 6 | 10 | 16 |
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| OG | 9 | 4 | 13 |
| VP | K | A | D |
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| Snax | 28 | 1 | 14 |
| pashaBiceps | 21 | 1 | 21 |
| byali | 20 | 6 | 19 |
| TaZ | 17 | 4 | 20 |
| NEO | 17 | 3 | 21 |
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| RUSH | 25 | 5 | 18 |
| NAF | 21 | 6 | 17 |
| mixwell | 19 | 2 | 23 |
| stanislaw | 17 | 3 | 20 |
| tarik | 12 | 4 | 25 |
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jan 22 '17
Fun fact: VP has never lost an opening match in a major.
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u/mrcrazy_monkey Jan 22 '17
That's fairly impressive all things considered.
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jan 22 '17 edited Jan 22 '17
No other players who have attended all majors can claim the same.
EDIT: The following players who are attending this major that aren't new to the majors yet haven't played all 10 can say the same though: Coldzera, TACO, and s1mple.
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u/mrcrazy_monkey Jan 22 '17
Does this include the first major when they were under a different organization and had michu?
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jan 22 '17
They didn't have MICHU, they had their current roster but on Universal Soldiers. This stat does indeed include DHW2013.
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Jan 22 '17
and they never lost to an NA team
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u/Vawqer 1 Million Celebration Jan 22 '17
Not in a major, no. They last lost a map to an NA team at CEVO 2016 to SPLYCE. The last time they lost a match was to C9 at ESWC 2014.
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u/Jataman606 King NiKo Jan 23 '17
Thats really interesting since they usually play the worst on opening matches.
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u/gonnj FaZe Jan 22 '17
Oh mixwell you gotta hit those crucial shots my man.....
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Jan 22 '17
Pasha came through with the crucial shots this game though. Props to him. Snax had a hell of a game as well.
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 22 '17
And then he hits one and it's a tag. So unlucky for Optic.
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u/Cameter44 Jan 22 '17
Wasn't even a tag, the caster said it wrong. The VP player was already super low from an engagement with someone else. Mixwell saw the shadow coming and shot too early, the VP player wasn't around the corner yet.
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u/Hughcheu Virtus.pro Jan 22 '17
If he had hit that second deagle shot at A long when the VP player was whiffing their spray...
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u/daakad Jan 22 '17
wasnt a whiff, taz didnt see him through molotov smoke clearly
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u/TxxNES Jan 22 '17
I think this was the turning point. He hits those, game ends differently.. tough luck but great game never the less
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u/Sonfloro Jan 22 '17 edited Jan 22 '17
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Jan 22 '17
snax was unreal, VP recovered great from the poor eco, OG could've won but too many whiffs, not getting enough 2 man sprays
GG VP, sucks to lose this way when it's such a hard matchup to begin with :/
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u/cyberbemon Jan 22 '17
It was a close game, optic made VP work for it though, could have gone both ways tbh.
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u/Komp14 G2 Jan 22 '17
Optic choked badly on the last rounds, way too many times with numbers advantage and couldn't close it out.
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u/AemonDK Jan 22 '17
vp had just as many rounds with number advantage that they didn't close out. they lost a pistol 1v3 to start the whole thing off
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Jan 22 '17
Big props to OpTic. They rely on individual plays a lot, but they are also tactically more sound than most top teams, and their discipline and planning are frequently unmatched by others. They seem to have a plan for every situation and they rarely do dumb shit.
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u/XFragsHD de_inferno Jan 22 '17
VP could win even earlier but the 1st pistol was kinda unlucky to lose and the second... well they won but the force-buy from OG won again so yeah. This match should normally look a bit different
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u/jztmanyl 500k Celebration Jan 22 '17
Why do people act like optic where underdogs? I bet on optic cause in my book it's 65-35 for them to win. Especially their fans..
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u/Ontyyyy CS2 HYPE Jan 22 '17
Tarik was non-existent and Mixwell was put in a position where he could win the round by hitting one shot and fucked up like 3 times in a row.
GGs anyways great match.
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u/memelord76 Jan 22 '17
turok peanut brain 0.48 rating
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u/TheESportsGuy Jan 22 '17
He really played very dumb. And he was the only player to play very dumb in the match. The number of times he peaked into a held angle without a flash was too damn high.
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Jan 22 '17
He really played very dumb
Bruh....
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u/daniel8889 Jan 22 '17
Stacking adverbs is probably hard for non-native english speakers. Don't be a dick, he's trying.
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u/VividReaction CS2 HYPE Jan 22 '17
What is the problem with it and how would you phrase it better?
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u/KronoS275 Jan 22 '17
https://gfycat.com/AfraidShamefulFairyfly Snax this game
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u/RobertZocker Jan 22 '17
Knew what this gif was about before even watching it, was not disappointed
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u/_Oomph_ 500k Celebration Jan 22 '17
This match was vicious.
Both teams will definitely be in the playoffs if they keep this up.
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Jan 22 '17
inb4 second round OG - North, North goes huge, OG beats HR and G2 then faces an in form Na'Vi and goes out 2-3
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u/KabooshWasTaken guardian3 Jan 22 '17
damn those whiffs by mixwell at the end really cost them
also obligatory: https://gfycat.com/AfraidShamefulFairyfly
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Jan 22 '17
I am a simple VP fan, I see snax I upvote
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u/KabooshWasTaken guardian3 Jan 22 '17
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u/Siemperx Jan 22 '17
This Snax guy is pretty decent
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u/KabooshWasTaken guardian3 Jan 22 '17
a really up and coming talent, call me crazy but I think he can make it to the top20 next year, or so.
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u/yeame3 Virtus.pro Jan 22 '17
Nah, he is just really really really really really really lucky. Like, all the time. ;)
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u/RadiantSun FaZe Jan 22 '17
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u/QuantumWaffles1 500k Celebration Jan 22 '17
What happened to your Reason flair?
nice meme btw
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u/RadiantSun FaZe Jan 22 '17
I switched to Opti for the Major without realising Reason got removed. RIP.
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u/Kravvv Virtus.pro Jan 22 '17
Did you have any memes ready in case of optic winning?
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u/RadiantSun FaZe Jan 22 '17
I had one that I made for a previous tournament (ESL NY maybe?) but didn't use:
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u/seanduckman Liquid Jan 22 '17
Felt like game 1 of a grand final. That has to be game of the day
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u/orynse MOUZ Jan 22 '17 edited Jan 22 '17
So when they show the team pick em statistics just underneath the score and it's like 67% VP and 33% Optic what does that mean, considering the different pick em this major.
Also. Snax is so good. He was 18-0-5 when they were down 8-6 which is kinda crazy.
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u/thebrainypole Complexity Jan 23 '17
Number of people who chose them to advance to playoffs made into a fraction, ratio, and then percentage.
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u/z0rgi-A- valeria Jan 22 '17
Hard fought loss is what I expected. And a hard fought loss is what I got. Still hurts.
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u/DogeFancy cs_militia Jan 22 '17
Mixwells whiffs on 13-13 and 13-15 lost them the game.
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u/AnAmazingPoopSniffer BIG Jan 22 '17
Yeah but Rush and Naf's clutches in first half is what made this game close.
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u/theChamp_isHere Jan 22 '17
It's the nerves. Sure hes played in a major but when you're expected to do amazing, those things can get players. But still a great game from him. If he hadn't made an impact this game would be a blowout from VP
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u/AngriestGamerNA Liquid Jan 22 '17
I mean, rush and naf were easily their biggest impact players, mixwell and tarik both did not have the impact needed.
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u/theChamp_isHere Jan 22 '17
Mixwell got the impact frags in the first half. Without him, it possibly could have 8-7 VP or worse
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u/Sullytwin Jan 22 '17
Stan didn't know when or when not to be aggressive
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u/Cameter44 Jan 22 '17
Are you talking about that last round? Yeah, I'm not sure why he didn't peek while Mixwell was sitting there with his deagle running distraction and being sprayed at for like eight seconds.
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u/Sullytwin Jan 22 '17
Not just that. Overall he would push when it didn't make sense, and it seemed like he was trying to make hero plays but came up short every time.
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Jan 22 '17
Snax is truly a butcher. Ggwp. Plow is on
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u/viktorlogi Jan 22 '17
When did you start posting on /r/go again? Feels like I haven't seen a post of yours in months.
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u/NoPaEr10 NiP Jan 22 '17
GG Snax is a fucking beast. His style of playing is astonishingly intelligent.
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Jan 22 '17
At least Tarik was wearing the flag of another country while he shit the bed.
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u/adflksjkf32420 Jan 22 '17
I am so confused why he doesn't rep the united states. He was born and raised in the United States and hasn't lived a single minute in Turkey, it doesn't make sense.
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u/Cheesewithmold 1 Million Celebration Jan 22 '17
He's Turkish-American. He holds a dual citizenship.
Just because he was born in the US doesn't mean he can't have pride in his ancestry.
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u/courey de_inferno Jan 23 '17
I thought that in order to receive american citizenship, you have to let go of the others?
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Jan 22 '17
That was the best single map of cs from both teams I've seen in a while...
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u/Cameter44 Jan 22 '17
During the Snax 1v2 that prevented OpTic from getting up 14-12 with VP having a bad economy, wonder how the player at wall didn't hear him scope earlier. Even if he didn't get the kill, knowing where he was earlier could've made a big difference in the round.
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u/kingtut11 Liquid Jan 22 '17
mixwell choked hard under the pressure in the end right there.
Damn, both teams played really well though.
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u/esach Jan 22 '17
Think the good thing is the teamwork is still there for optic, just needed to hit a few more shots.
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u/Coolcsl10 Virtus.pro Jan 22 '17
That game was all on wiffwell. Too many times they went A and he couldn't finish a kill.
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u/AndyFNG MOUZ Jan 22 '17
Poor showing from Mixwell, he lost them some rounds on A.
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u/Outpinged Jan 22 '17
Tarik lost them almost every round
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u/KabooshWasTaken guardian3 Jan 22 '17
mixwell 100% lost them the last gun round. He also cost them another crucial round (forcing NAFFLY into a 1v2) that he should've converted 1, but that was more understandable. The last gun round was a huge whiff.
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u/peevishawp EG Jan 22 '17
Tarik played pretty bad but to be fair he was b anchor and often times had to play solo b because Stan or mix well would lose control of a
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u/semrekurt Jan 22 '17
On t side he made sick entries tho. He basically won at least 2 rounds by himself.
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u/lebushwookie NiP Jan 22 '17
Snax with the hard carry. That missed shot from mixwell near the APC allowed VP to win the game. Well fought, and GG.
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u/viktorlogi Jan 22 '17
Snax definitely hard carried VP to getting those first few rounds, but after a while, everyone seemed to be in form, imo.
Optic played really well too, that 4k from RUSH was insane.
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u/Conkernads Jan 22 '17
Mixwell shat the bed a few times there on A. Could've been a different result if he hadn't whiffed
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u/Ikkie459 MOUZ Jan 22 '17
BibleThump is the only emotion i have after those last few rounds. Same result happened to liquid last major, so I still have hope!
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u/hweng 400k Celebration Jan 22 '17
This match reminded me of how much I miss led James, his jokes were on point. The north korea one actually made me spit out my drink
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u/TomBradyGOAT FaZe Jan 22 '17
Best game so far, Snax played out of his mind in the first half, single-handedly brought his team back into this one
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u/Kylano Jan 22 '17
If Mixwell didn't leg TaZ OG could've won. unlucky
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u/Cameter44 Jan 22 '17 edited Jan 22 '17
He didn't hit him, he shot before he came around the corner. TaZ was already low from damage from someone else.
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u/NiK3_Aub4mey4ng Jan 22 '17
Why did Mixwell shoot so early :/
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u/Cameter44 Jan 22 '17
The shadow fucked him. Normally shadows help, but that was such a high pressure situation that he was on edge and shot too fast. If he had a rifle that shadow would've been perfect, but in this very specific situation with the AWP it screwed him.
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 22 '17
Tarik was terrible, Mixwell whiffed so much, Also 2 1v2s and a 3v2 lost just killed Optic. I guess VP doesn't lose to NA teams because they probably should've this game.
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u/Ayz1990 NiP Jan 23 '17
Unfair statement, vp in no way whatsoever should have lost the first pistolround in that 3v1 against naf(?) Also taz was playing some of his worst cs during the 5 first rounds or so, in the same way optic shouldnt have choked in the end, vp shouldnt have made so many brainfarts in the early stages, it evens out imo and they beat them fair and square without chokefactor imom
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u/zatooishwan Natus Vincere Jan 22 '17
Even though snax hard carried, I must give credits to pasha because he had a lot of clutch kills this game. Such a great game.
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u/Cameter44 Jan 22 '17
Mixwell with some really costly whiffs down the stretch when it mattered the most. Great game though, fun to watch.
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u/Maximum_X Jan 22 '17
Kinda knew that Optic would probably lose but to lose after that first half is heart wrenching :( GGs
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Jan 22 '17
This was such a close match. Those awp whiffs by mixwell is ultimately what cost Optic here. And that one tap usp by Pasha in the second half.... that was orgasmic.
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u/Hughcheu Virtus.pro Jan 22 '17
So many rounds where VP were down 1 or 2 players and they sweep on A site and take the round! That awp clutch by Snax, the 2v4? with Taz and Byali. Just magnificent play by VP and some heartbreaking whiffs by Optic.
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u/Kambhela de_train Jan 22 '17
That was some real butt clench CS from both sides.
Thank god for VP pulling it through in the end, keeps my bet alive :P
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u/johnlzx Jan 22 '17
I hadn't watch a pro game in a while . Had some free time before I slept @2.30am .... watched the game and it didn't dissapoint me. What a great game that was
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u/tarangk clutch Jan 22 '17
rush and naf played so well, some of those clutches that VP won jesus otherwise OG had this game.
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u/e4mica523 Jan 22 '17
Great showing from both teams. Optic looked good, but VP's T-side was masterful. I expect both teams to make it to the playoffs
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u/Silverwendigo Jan 22 '17
I hope optic can bounce back from this and still make it to the top 8, turok didn't play so hot.
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u/srjnp de_dust2 Jan 22 '17
So will these analysts keep saying mixwell and turok are the stars? RUSH and NAF are the key stars of Optic and they've shown it both in ECS and ELEAGUE and now in this game as well. Tarik and Mixwell are both important but RUSH and NAF are the stars of this team.
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 22 '17
Mixwell and rush are the stars. NAF is still too inconsistent. Just cause Mixwell had a bad half with the awp doesn't take that away. But yes most have said tarik is the 3rd-4th star.
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u/BuckNekkid18 Jan 23 '17
Mixwell is the main star for them for sure. Rush is great as well but he's on the same level of NAF. When they show up it's great, but they're still able to win even if they had an ok performance.
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u/Pickwickian_Syndrome Jan 22 '17
mixwell needs to step up and stop whiffing shots. Those missed awp shots at the end really cost optic
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 22 '17
I fully believe if him and tarik switched roles for ct side optic wins easily. Tarik was awful with the rifle and the few times mixwell used it on t side he was really good.
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u/shouldstudyinstead G2 Jan 22 '17
Went to take a shit while OG was winning. Came back to OG losing. feelsbadman
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u/AnonOmis1000 Gambit Jan 22 '17
I got a couple really dumb questions:
If the only American on Optic is RUSH, then why do they have the US flag behind their logo?
Isn't tarik born and raised in the US and lives there? If so why does he have the Turkish flag?
Honestly I am ignorant on these things and would like to have some clarification.
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u/Celestetc Liquid Jan 22 '17
No idea but Tarik has always used a American flag but has a turkish flag on his jersey so now they put his flag as turkish. So when he did use the USA flag it was 2 US/2 Can/ and 1 Spanish and many organizers used a half US/Can flag but others would just use US for whatever reason.
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u/iwearcr0wns EG Jan 22 '17
Snax is going to have a ton of angry OpTic fans at his door this Major.
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u/SRMustang35 Jan 22 '17
You know, I didn't expect us to win, but it still hurts.
Also, Snax is a god.
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u/frytkizchleba Jan 22 '17
Papa Biceps with a decent game :D As a polish fan, im so happy to see that
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u/MasterBeCo 10 years coin Jan 22 '17
What a game by Snax ! true legend. Vp played the late game very well.
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Jan 22 '17
Definitely the best first round game so far. Very close game. Optic are going to have a top 8 spot for sure. Pasha and Snax helped carry them to victory while Byali, Neo and Taz need to wake up and help out.
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u/Fr0zn Jan 23 '17
VP won, but the other takeaway here is that if anyone still had doubts about OG being a legit tier 1 team, they should be pretty settled now. No other NA team would have made VP work for it that hard. Good game all around.
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u/Nigerianpoopslayer Natus Vincere Jan 22 '17
VP don't lose to NA, told you boyz
I'd like to thank mixwell for his insane whiff when it was 14-13, thanks bro
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u/Hughcheu Virtus.pro Jan 22 '17
Tbf the VP player also whiffed their AK spray hard - just that mixwell had less bullets.
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u/robotmemer Jan 22 '17
If only mixwell used his usp instead of the awp in the 2v2 or if RUSH didn't have his back to Snax, the outcome could've been different. If only VP didn't have that ct string of rounds or that pasha nutty 1v2. Good game, fun to watch.
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u/brontix Jan 22 '17
If only VP didn't loose first pistol 1 v 3. So many "ifs"... VP could've won even more convincingly if it weren't for mistakes from them, too..
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u/Ajp_iii Jan 22 '17
Snax is a god. That was such a great game.